Steve Wozniak, the engineer-inventor who cofounded Apple<\/a> along with Steve Jobs<\/a>, doesn’t expect artificial intelligence<\/a> to become smart enough to replace the human brain or cause job losses. In a chat with Surabhi Agarwal and Shelley Singh on the sidelines of the ET Global Business Summit, the 67-year-old, nicknamed Woz, said he opposed protectionism and wanted the Internet to be free, equal and unbiased. Edited excerpts: engineer-inventor史蒂夫•沃兹尼亚克共同创办苹果随着史蒂夫•乔布斯,不期待人工智能变得足够聪明来代替人类的大脑或造成失业。辛格在聊天Surabhi Agarwal和雪莱等全球商业峰会的间隙,67岁,绰号沃兹说,他反对贸易保护主义,希望互联网是免费的,平等和公正的。编辑摘录:
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\nIn the last 20-30 years, technology created so many more jobs. Now there are fears around artificial intelligence<\/a> and machine learning taking away jobs. How realistic are they?<\/strong>
\nHold on. 250 years ago it started in Manchester, England. Factories that could make cheap products. No machine sits down and says; humm, what should I work on? Humans tell machines what to work on. Machines just do it well for us. We are building technology which will make things easier for us. Machines do just the grunge work billions of times faster also that we can apply our minds to other things.
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\nBut what about jobs? Companies don’t hire those many people now.<\/strong>
Where is the lack of jobs? At least where I come from, the US, people do have jobs. Over time there are stock market<\/a> crashes, things like dotcom crash, and lot of people lose jobs and they move out. These things come and go. But it’s not like the world is ruined.
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\nBill Gates and Elon Musk<\/a> have said that AI could be dangerous the way we are advancing…<\/strong>
Stephen Hawking<\/a> said the same thing. I was saying the same things for almost two years before they were. Then, I thought a lot about it, what is intelligence. These machines are not even close to intelligence. They don’t work like the human brain. I studied human brain deeply, almost got my degree in psychology. There is no machine which sat down and said what should I do today? Machines don’t think that way. They only can do things we tell them very specifically. And that also after being told a billion times of learning. That’s not intelligence. That’s not even more intelligence than picking up a red bone and putting in a red box.
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\nSo, it’s not a threat right now. But what about the future. Will they get better? What about things like (humanoid) Sophia?<\/strong>
\nOh, there is this idea we will process more information than the brain. Even when we don’t know how the brain is structured. Maybe we will end up with a machine that’s conscious and talk like you and I. Machine will program it better than the human. I don’t buy that. We are not even close to machine which thinks like a human. Google can look at 80,000 pictures of a dog and it may get it right sometime. Show a dog picture to a one-year-old child only once and she will recognise and know a dog forever. They know the shape, the tail the feature very well. I agree with ‘A’ and not the ‘I’ of Artificial Intelligence.
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\nCompanies like Google, Facebook and Amazon control lot of things and they have people’s data. Should they be broken up?<\/strong>
\nI want Internet to be free, equal and unbiased. I am a consumer and I want to buy things and I want to control my choices. When I do a search on Google, someone has paid to be on top. I am only going to find what people with money keep in their position in control. They are using their money as power to be there and I don’t like that. People should look at how they assume a lot of market position. It’s hard to say we don’t really have a firm idea as to when a company should be broken up and why.
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\nIf you were running Apple<\/a> today, what would you do differently?<\/strong>
\nI would try to spread out the divisions that work on different product areas away from the central campus. I would not have a central campus. I would let teams of smart people think independently, come up with their own solutions and overlooked by the CEO. I would make a division for computers and try to bring back the Macintosh as a computing element. That’s just one example. All the products being inter-mixed with each other makes things go slowly. I would take steps to have quicker innovation.
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\nDo you think Apple has become too focussed and too dependent on the iPhone and after the iPhone there’s no big invention that has come out? Are you happy with the way things are or would you want to change?<\/strong>
\nApple has taken lot of steps to keep the image of a good company. People trust the iPhone and they trust Apple. They don’t have to worry that it’s (the phone) going to be such a complicated part of my life. Because it is so economically powerful if iPhone ever drops off, so will the company. That’s the major part of the revenue, the iPhone and some apps and services. We have got the HomePod, HomeKit, Apple TV; in car we have the Apple Car Play, and we got the watch.
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\nSome of these things are going to grow. But one of the things that we sacrificed is computers. Steve Jobs<\/a> never understood the computer part — the hardware and the software and what was really in it and I think that stays with the Apple till this day. We used to own the creative world, desktop publishing and now Apple just dropped off. Everybody is buying HP, Dell…
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\nBut the Mac is still popular...<\/strong>
\nOh, the Mac is the finest laptop in the world and very popular, but is not a major revenue generator for Apple. It’s really nice to be in the Apple world where you have the Apple computer, Apple iPhone, Apple Watch and they all placed so well together and even Apple TV.
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\nWhat’s your vision for the computers? Do you think it is still relevant in today’s time when everyone is carrying a smartphone?<\/strong>
\nParts of me change very quickly. I want to be up to the new things going on. But I have never converted over to using a smartphone. At home, I don’t use the phone to email or text. I love the big-screen computer. I get to the hotel and use my computer.
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\nSometime the apps are limiting on the small screen. And lot of things like social web, email, text messaging you can do that on the watch, too. You don’t even need to carry the phone. I love such simplifications like that. But the computer is really the heart of my live. I keep it so well backed up.
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\nDo you think that given the new things that are happening, Apple could be the most profitable company in the next three to five years?<\/strong>
\nI don’t follow financials, stuff and don’t think in business terms. I think about products and technology. I have been reading about that Apple could be the first $1 trillion company by market cap and there’s Amazon as well. Companies that have good products that people want always have a chance to get there.
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\nTim Cook (Apple CEO) has centralised everything in one campus. And there’s lot of focus on iPhone. Do you think Apple needs a change at the top and a different kind of thinking?<\/strong>
\nI don’t think so. Because I agree with the humanist thinking, caring about the people that are diversified, making sure that everyone is taken care of no matter where you are from, accepted by all. This is part of Silicon Valley, one of the 10 counties in the US where more than half the people speak non-English at home. We have lot of respect for people from India, Korea, Japan and everywhere. We have been inundated as smart people are attracted towards a growing economy.
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\nLot of people are attracted to the US and Silicon Valley, but there are protectionist moves now. How does that impact technology?
\nI oppose protectionist moves. I totally think we should be open. I am kind of like Buddhist. Lot of people ask me where are you from. Instead of saying I am from California, I tell them I am from Planet Earth. I feel kinship with all the people. If somebody is bad to me, I am good to them.
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\nWho are the people you admire?<\/strong>
\nI admire Jimmy Morgan, an artist from Disney — he is not a tech visionary, he’s an artist. I admire anyone who does good work. I admire Elon Musk<\/a>. I admire Tim Cook as he cares about human consideration of people. We were the first noted tech company with equal pay for each gender.
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\nWhat do you like about Elon Musk? Do you believe his vision is outlandish?<\/strong>
He has the ability to see the forest and not the trees. First of all, great products are the start of great companies. Steve Jobs and the iPhone — every major detail was right for all. Making a product for himself made it right for everyone else. Elon Musk built a large electric car<\/a> — it violated every law of economics. You want cost of the car to be lower, use less battery, less weight. Why make a large car. He had a large family. Why were the first six charging stations between his home and factory? It was his own need where it started from. Now he has expanded Tesla Superchargers and you can drive anywhere in the country. Great products often come from what you want for yourself.
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\nWhat are your thoughts on India?<\/strong>
\nI am not an anthropologist. I look at India more like two Indias. We often like to merge and take an average. The advanced part of India is very advanced. Lot of our innovation comes from good thinking and good brains. At Silicon Valley, there are lot of lawyers, doctors, engineers from India. The average income of advanced people in India may be higher than in the US. I don’t know that. Young people want to do entrepreneurship. But they need infrastructure. Countries that were successful built entire university cities; subset of a city based on entrepreneurship, bright people good infrastructure.
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\nYou were from the early part of Silicon Valley. Now there’s this bro culture and sexism and women are suppressed. Today, tech companies represent everything that is wrong. What are your views?<\/strong>
I don’t agree with sensationalist views of Silicon Valley. I never saw any sexism going on. I would not like it if I saw it. But it is obviously there in every industry<\/a>, so is in Silicon Valley. When I went back to Berkeley 10 years later under a fake name as everyone knew me, three-fourths of the students were from India and Asia and it was 50-50 in terms of gender split in computer science. I saw 11-year-old girls answering all questions.
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\nDo you regret not playing a more active role in Apple?<\/strong>
\nNever ever once. I am so glad for the person that I always was. I created my own philosophy of how I will be when I was a 20-year-old. I lived with that. I will die and sleep so happy. I love technology, interesting things, interesting people.
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\nWhat’s the future of smartphones?<\/strong>
\nI think they will remain handheld the way they are now. I base my opinion on cars … cars have remained the same for 100 years — four wheels on the car, a container for people to get places. Smartphones won’t go into your brain.
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在过去的20 - 30年,技术创造了更多的就业机会。现在有恐惧人工智能机器学习和工作。他们有多真实?
等一等。250年前开始在曼彻斯特,英格兰。工厂可以生产廉价产品。没有机器坐下说;嗯,我应该做什么?人类告诉机器要做什么。机器为我们做得很好。我们正在建设技术将使事情变得更容易。机器做的只是数十亿倍的枯燥乏味的工作,我们可以将我们的思想应用到其他的事情。
但是工作呢?现在公司不雇佣那些许多人。
缺乏就业机会在哪里?至少,我来自美国,人们确实有工作。随着时间的推移,有股票市场崩溃,比如网络崩溃,和许多人失去工作,他们搬出去。这些东西来来去去。但它不像世界毁了。
比尔·盖茨和Elon Musk说,人工智能可能是危险我们推进的方式…
斯蒂芬·霍金说同样的事情。我说同样的事情几乎两年之前。然后,我想了很多,什么是智慧。这些机器甚至没有接近智慧。他们不像人类的大脑工作。我研究人类大脑,几乎有我的心理学学位。没有机器坐下来,说今天我应该做什么?机器不这样认为。他们只能做我们告诉他们非常特别的东西。后,也被告知十亿倍的学习。 That’s not intelligence. That’s not even more intelligence than picking up a red bone and putting in a red box.
所以,这不是一个威胁。但未来。他们会变得更好吗?比如(人形)索菲娅呢?
哦,有这个想法我们将处理更多的信息比大脑。即使我们不知道大脑是如何构造的。也许我们最终将机器的意识,就像你和我机将比人类的程序。我不买。我们甚至没有接近机器认为像一个人类。谷歌可以看80000一只狗的图片,它可能使它正确。狗照片展示给一个一岁大的孩子只有一次,她将永远承认并知道一只狗。他们知道的形状,尾巴的功能很好。我同意“A”,而不是“我”的人工智能。
公司,如谷歌、脸谱网和亚马逊控制很多事情和人的数据。他们应该被拆分吗?
我希望互联网是自由、平等和公正。我是一个消费者,我想买东西,我想控制我的选择。当我在谷歌上搜索时,有人付上。我只会发现人们用金钱保持他们的位置控制。他们使用他们的钱是力量,我不喜欢。人们应该看看他们认为大量的市场地位。很难说我们没有坚定的想法,当一个公司应该被拆分和为什么。
如果你运行苹果不同的今天,你会怎么做?
我将试着分散的部门工作在不同的产品领域远离中央校园。我不会有一个中心校园。我会让团队的聪明的人独立思考,提出自己的解决方案和被忽视的CEO。我将使计算机和一个部门试图带回麦金塔电脑计算元件。这只是一个例子。所有的产品被彼此inter-mixed让事情慢慢地走。我将采取措施有更快的创新。
你认为苹果已变得过于集中和过于依赖后的iPhone和iPhone没有大发明出来了吗?你满意的事情或你想要改变吗?
苹果已经采取很多措施来保持良好的公司的形象。人们相信iPhone和苹果他们信任。他们不必担心它的(电话)这样一个复杂的我生活的一部分。因为经济上的强大如果iPhone下降,因此将该公司。收入的主要部分,iPhone和一些应用程序和服务。我们有HomePod HomeKit,苹果电视;车我们有苹果车玩,我们得到了手表。
这些事情将会增长。但我们牺牲的事情之一是计算机。史蒂夫•乔布斯不明白计算机硬件和软件部分,真正的,我认为一直与苹果的故事到这一天。我们使用自己的创作世界,桌面出版,现在苹果只是下降。每个人都购买惠普、戴尔…
但Mac仍受欢迎……
哦,苹果是世界上最好的笔记本电脑很受欢迎,但并不是苹果公司的主要收入来源。真的很高兴在苹果的世界,在那里你有苹果电脑,苹果iPhone,苹果一起看他们都放置好,甚至苹果电视。
你的电脑视觉?你认为它仍然是有关在今天的时候,每个人都带着智能手机?
我迅速转变。我想要的新事物。但我从来没有转换到使用智能手机。在家里,我不使用电话,电子邮件或文本。我喜欢大屏幕的电脑。我到达酒店,使用我的电脑。
有时小屏幕上的应用程序限制。和很多东西像社交网络,电子邮件,短信你可以看,。你甚至不需要携带电话。我爱这样的简化。但电脑是我生活的核心。我把它备份。
你认为新事物发生,苹果可以是最盈利的公司在未来三到五年吗?
我不懂金融,东西和不认为在业务术语。我认为关于产品和技术。我一直在阅读有关,苹果可能是第一个市值1万亿美元的公司,亚马逊。公司有良好的人们想要的产品,总是有机会去那里。
蒂姆·库克(苹果CEO)集中在一个校园的一切。还有很多专注于iPhone。你认为苹果公司需要改变顶部和一种不同的思维吗?
我不这么认为。因为我同意以人为本思想,关心的人是多元化的,确保每个人都照顾无论你从哪里来,接受一切。这是硅谷的一部分,一个在美国的10个县,一半以上的人在家说英语。我们有许多尊重的人来自印度、韩国、日本和无处不在。我们已经淹没一样聪明的人对经济增长吸引了。
很多人喜欢美国和硅谷,但现在有保护主义举措。技术如何影响?
我反对保护主义举措。我认为我们应该完全开放。我有点像佛教。很多人问我你是哪里人。而不是说我来自加利福尼亚,我告诉他们我来自地球。我觉得与所有的人。如果有人对我不好,我好给他们。
你敬佩的人是谁?
我钦佩吉米·摩根,从迪士尼艺术家——他不是一个技术远见卓识,他是一个艺术家。我钦佩的人是好工作。我钦佩Elon Musk。我钦佩蒂姆•库克作为他关心人类考虑的人。我们是第一个指出科技公司为每个性别与同工同酬。
你喜欢什么Elon Musk呢?你相信自己的愿景是古怪的吗?
他有能力看到森林而不是树。首先,伟大的产品是伟大的公司的开始。史蒂夫•乔布斯(Steve Jobs)和iPhone——每个主要的细节是正确的。使自己的产品适合其他人。Elon Musk建造了一个大电动汽车——它违反了法律经济学。你想要车的成本低,使用更少的电池,减少重量。为什么做一个大的汽车。他有一个大家庭。为什么他家里和工厂之间的前六个充电站吗?这是他自己的需要是从哪里开始的。现在,他扩大了特斯拉增压器可以推动在全国的任何地方。伟大的产品往往来自你自己想要什么。
你在印度有什么看法?
我不是一个人类学家。我看印度更像是两个印度。我们经常喜欢合并,取平均值。先进的一部分,印度是非常先进的。很多我们的创新来自于良好的思维和大脑。在硅谷,有很多律师,医生,工程师来自印度。先进的人的平均收入在印度可能高于美国。我不知道。想创业的年轻人。但是他们需要的基础设施。 Countries that were successful built entire university cities; subset of a city based on entrepreneurship, bright people good infrastructure.
你来自硅谷的早期。现在这哥们当时文化和性别歧视和女人是抑制。今天,科技公司代表的一切是错误的。你的观点是什么?
我不同意煽情的硅谷。我从未见过任何性别歧视。如果我看到它我不会喜欢它。但这显然是在每一个行业在硅谷,。当我回到伯克利10年后每个人都知道我曾用假名,四分之三的学生都来自印度和亚洲,这是一半对一半的性别分裂在计算机科学。我看到11岁女孩回答所有的问题。
你后悔不扮演更为积极的角色在苹果呢?
从来没有一次。我是人,我总是很高兴。我创建了自己的哲学我如何将一名20岁的时候。我住在一起。我将死和睡眠如此高兴的原因。我喜欢科技,有趣的事情,有趣的人。
未来的智能手机是什么?
我认为他们将继续手持他们现在的方式。我我认为基于汽车…汽车100年保持不变——四个轮子的车,一个容器的人的地方。智能手机不会进入你的大脑。
Steve Wozniak, the engineer-inventor who cofounded Apple<\/a> along with Steve Jobs<\/a>, doesn’t expect artificial intelligence<\/a> to become smart enough to replace the human brain or cause job losses. In a chat with Surabhi Agarwal and Shelley Singh on the sidelines of the ET Global Business Summit, the 67-year-old, nicknamed Woz, said he opposed protectionism and wanted the Internet to be free, equal and unbiased. Edited excerpts:
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\nIn the last 20-30 years, technology created so many more jobs. Now there are fears around artificial intelligence<\/a> and machine learning taking away jobs. How realistic are they?<\/strong>
\nHold on. 250 years ago it started in Manchester, England. Factories that could make cheap products. No machine sits down and says; humm, what should I work on? Humans tell machines what to work on. Machines just do it well for us. We are building technology which will make things easier for us. Machines do just the grunge work billions of times faster also that we can apply our minds to other things.
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\nBut what about jobs? Companies don’t hire those many people now.<\/strong>
Where is the lack of jobs? At least where I come from, the US, people do have jobs. Over time there are stock market<\/a> crashes, things like dotcom crash, and lot of people lose jobs and they move out. These things come and go. But it’s not like the world is ruined.
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\nBill Gates and Elon Musk<\/a> have said that AI could be dangerous the way we are advancing…<\/strong>
Stephen Hawking<\/a> said the same thing. I was saying the same things for almost two years before they were. Then, I thought a lot about it, what is intelligence. These machines are not even close to intelligence. They don’t work like the human brain. I studied human brain deeply, almost got my degree in psychology. There is no machine which sat down and said what should I do today? Machines don’t think that way. They only can do things we tell them very specifically. And that also after being told a billion times of learning. That’s not intelligence. That’s not even more intelligence than picking up a red bone and putting in a red box.
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\nSo, it’s not a threat right now. But what about the future. Will they get better? What about things like (humanoid) Sophia?<\/strong>
\nOh, there is this idea we will process more information than the brain. Even when we don’t know how the brain is structured. Maybe we will end up with a machine that’s conscious and talk like you and I. Machine will program it better than the human. I don’t buy that. We are not even close to machine which thinks like a human. Google can look at 80,000 pictures of a dog and it may get it right sometime. Show a dog picture to a one-year-old child only once and she will recognise and know a dog forever. They know the shape, the tail the feature very well. I agree with ‘A’ and not the ‘I’ of Artificial Intelligence.
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\nCompanies like Google, Facebook and Amazon control lot of things and they have people’s data. Should they be broken up?<\/strong>
\nI want Internet to be free, equal and unbiased. I am a consumer and I want to buy things and I want to control my choices. When I do a search on Google, someone has paid to be on top. I am only going to find what people with money keep in their position in control. They are using their money as power to be there and I don’t like that. People should look at how they assume a lot of market position. It’s hard to say we don’t really have a firm idea as to when a company should be broken up and why.
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\nIf you were running Apple<\/a> today, what would you do differently?<\/strong>
\nI would try to spread out the divisions that work on different product areas away from the central campus. I would not have a central campus. I would let teams of smart people think independently, come up with their own solutions and overlooked by the CEO. I would make a division for computers and try to bring back the Macintosh as a computing element. That’s just one example. All the products being inter-mixed with each other makes things go slowly. I would take steps to have quicker innovation.
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\nDo you think Apple has become too focussed and too dependent on the iPhone and after the iPhone there’s no big invention that has come out? Are you happy with the way things are or would you want to change?<\/strong>
\nApple has taken lot of steps to keep the image of a good company. People trust the iPhone and they trust Apple. They don’t have to worry that it’s (the phone) going to be such a complicated part of my life. Because it is so economically powerful if iPhone ever drops off, so will the company. That’s the major part of the revenue, the iPhone and some apps and services. We have got the HomePod, HomeKit, Apple TV; in car we have the Apple Car Play, and we got the watch.
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\nSome of these things are going to grow. But one of the things that we sacrificed is computers. Steve Jobs<\/a> never understood the computer part — the hardware and the software and what was really in it and I think that stays with the Apple till this day. We used to own the creative world, desktop publishing and now Apple just dropped off. Everybody is buying HP, Dell…
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\nBut the Mac is still popular...<\/strong>
\nOh, the Mac is the finest laptop in the world and very popular, but is not a major revenue generator for Apple. It’s really nice to be in the Apple world where you have the Apple computer, Apple iPhone, Apple Watch and they all placed so well together and even Apple TV.
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\nWhat’s your vision for the computers? Do you think it is still relevant in today’s time when everyone is carrying a smartphone?<\/strong>
\nParts of me change very quickly. I want to be up to the new things going on. But I have never converted over to using a smartphone. At home, I don’t use the phone to email or text. I love the big-screen computer. I get to the hotel and use my computer.
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\nSometime the apps are limiting on the small screen. And lot of things like social web, email, text messaging you can do that on the watch, too. You don’t even need to carry the phone. I love such simplifications like that. But the computer is really the heart of my live. I keep it so well backed up.
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\nDo you think that given the new things that are happening, Apple could be the most profitable company in the next three to five years?<\/strong>
\nI don’t follow financials, stuff and don’t think in business terms. I think about products and technology. I have been reading about that Apple could be the first $1 trillion company by market cap and there’s Amazon as well. Companies that have good products that people want always have a chance to get there.
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\nTim Cook (Apple CEO) has centralised everything in one campus. And there’s lot of focus on iPhone. Do you think Apple needs a change at the top and a different kind of thinking?<\/strong>
\nI don’t think so. Because I agree with the humanist thinking, caring about the people that are diversified, making sure that everyone is taken care of no matter where you are from, accepted by all. This is part of Silicon Valley, one of the 10 counties in the US where more than half the people speak non-English at home. We have lot of respect for people from India, Korea, Japan and everywhere. We have been inundated as smart people are attracted towards a growing economy.
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\nLot of people are attracted to the US and Silicon Valley, but there are protectionist moves now. How does that impact technology?
\nI oppose protectionist moves. I totally think we should be open. I am kind of like Buddhist. Lot of people ask me where are you from. Instead of saying I am from California, I tell them I am from Planet Earth. I feel kinship with all the people. If somebody is bad to me, I am good to them.
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\nWho are the people you admire?<\/strong>
\nI admire Jimmy Morgan, an artist from Disney — he is not a tech visionary, he’s an artist. I admire anyone who does good work. I admire Elon Musk<\/a>. I admire Tim Cook as he cares about human consideration of people. We were the first noted tech company with equal pay for each gender.
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\nWhat do you like about Elon Musk? Do you believe his vision is outlandish?<\/strong>
He has the ability to see the forest and not the trees. First of all, great products are the start of great companies. Steve Jobs and the iPhone — every major detail was right for all. Making a product for himself made it right for everyone else. Elon Musk built a large electric car<\/a> — it violated every law of economics. You want cost of the car to be lower, use less battery, less weight. Why make a large car. He had a large family. Why were the first six charging stations between his home and factory? It was his own need where it started from. Now he has expanded Tesla Superchargers and you can drive anywhere in the country. Great products often come from what you want for yourself.
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\nWhat are your thoughts on India?<\/strong>
\nI am not an anthropologist. I look at India more like two Indias. We often like to merge and take an average. The advanced part of India is very advanced. Lot of our innovation comes from good thinking and good brains. At Silicon Valley, there are lot of lawyers, doctors, engineers from India. The average income of advanced people in India may be higher than in the US. I don’t know that. Young people want to do entrepreneurship. But they need infrastructure. Countries that were successful built entire university cities; subset of a city based on entrepreneurship, bright people good infrastructure.
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\nYou were from the early part of Silicon Valley. Now there’s this bro culture and sexism and women are suppressed. Today, tech companies represent everything that is wrong. What are your views?<\/strong>
I don’t agree with sensationalist views of Silicon Valley. I never saw any sexism going on. I would not like it if I saw it. But it is obviously there in every industry<\/a>, so is in Silicon Valley. When I went back to Berkeley 10 years later under a fake name as everyone knew me, three-fourths of the students were from India and Asia and it was 50-50 in terms of gender split in computer science. I saw 11-year-old girls answering all questions.
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\nDo you regret not playing a more active role in Apple?<\/strong>
\nNever ever once. I am so glad for the person that I always was. I created my own philosophy of how I will be when I was a 20-year-old. I lived with that. I will die and sleep so happy. I love technology, interesting things, interesting people.
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\nWhat’s the future of smartphones?<\/strong>
\nI think they will remain handheld the way they are now. I base my opinion on cars … cars have remained the same for 100 years — four wheels on the car, a container for people to get places. Smartphones won’t go into your brain.
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