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萨提亚·纳德拉(Satya Nadella):印度展现出我从未见过的科技密集使用
微软首席执行官称印度在数字公共产品方面的工作令人震惊，称公司专注于有纪律的投资以保持竞争力。
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“除非发起人注入足够的资金，否则政府不会入股沃达丰Idea”
官员们告诉《印度经济时报》，发起人——英国沃达丰公司和Aditya Birla集团——表示愿意向电信公司注入大约200 - 300亿卢比，这不足以重振该公司。
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印度印度的技术使用占GDP增长的比例非常高，该国在创造Aadhaar和统一支付接口等数字公共产品方面的工作令人震惊。微软董事长萨伊塔·纳德拉说。在ET的采访中Surabhi阿加瓦尔，Javed赛义德而且Ganguli Bodhisatva这家市值1980亿美元的美国科技巨头的首席执行官表示，“下一波浪潮”将是人工智能，他对AR-VR(人工和虚拟现实)和元宇宙感到兴奋。
他说，微软支持的流行开放人工智能平台ChatGPT也将与包括搜索引擎必应在内的几款产品集成。纳德拉还谈到了科技公司在去全球化世界中的未来，以及微软计划如何度过经济的不确定性。编辑摘录:
微软未来的动力是什么?
我关注两件事:公司的核心目标感和使命感——因为最终技术会出现和消失。微软的身份是一个技术平台，这样其他人就可以创建更多的技术平台。这是1975年的一个机会。我认为2023年更多的是一个机会，所以我只是想保持脚踏实地。我一直说，下一个大浪潮将是AI(人工智能)。我仍然对AR-VR(人工现实-虚拟现实)和Metaverse的发展感到非常兴奋，因为创造存在感非常重要。
最终，我想把它转化成类似计算化学的东西，这是我们在能源转换中迫切需要的。但是基础，如果我看这三个，它们都是建立在云上的。如果我看看今天人工智能正在发生的事情，我们正在谈论的这些大型基础模型是非常令人兴奋的，只有因为云，以及我们在Azure中所做的非常不同的工作，才能建模和训练这些大型模型。今天的技术，如果有时用得好并以创新的方式使用，有助于产生未来的技术。
印度能在人工智能、量子计算和元宇宙中扮演什么角色?
我对印度的乐观是多方面的。印度和数字公共产品正在发生的事情令人震惊。我的意思是，我没有看到其他任何地方投入如此严格的努力。我和bashini背后的人见了面。他们向我展示了如何将语音转换为文本，以及如何将文本转换为语音。事实上，他们已经在政府文档上使用了ChatGPT，并向我展示了一些令人难以置信的功能。
小企业利用科技来发展，比如Senco黄金在加尔各答，或者像印度银行这样的大银行印度国家银行．的再见，即(依赖Jios和Adanis以及其他所有人都在创造技术。不要忘了创业公司。无论是InMobi、LambdaTest还是Udaan，它们都展示了我以前从未见过的强烈使用。在印度，技术使用占GDP增长的比例非常高。在GitHub上，排名第二的国家是印度。在领英(LinkedIn)上，印度的技能简介率是全球的两倍。所以，这展示了另一个有抱负的方面。
你能给我们介绍一下微软在印度的累计投资吗?
这很重要。我用三种方法来衡量微软在印度的投资。一个是我们是否在印度制造(科技产品)。从历史上看，我们在其他地方生产产品，在这里销售，而现在我们在这里生产产品。我们拥有美国以外最大的开发中心。
我们投入了大量的资本投资，建立了四个大型数据中心，我们甚至与Jio合作，建立了他们自己的数据中心。因此，我们正在进行重大的资本投资，基本上是建立现代工厂，称为数据中心。所以这是我们在印度制造，这导致了所有其他国家在印度制造。但那些在印度制造的公司不仅仅是在印度制造，他们是在为世界制造。我们与LambdaTest或InMobi合作，将它们带到其他地方。
微软支持的ChatGPT已经非常流行。我们如何看待你们在这些人工智能产品的基础上开发产品?微软是否即将与必应进行整合?这会让你和谷歌直接竞争吗?
我喜欢微软价值超过100亿美元的业务，比如必应，被认为是不存在的。所以，这是一个很好的位置，因为你可以让世界大吃一惊。我们对与Open AI的合作感到非常兴奋。这是大型模型在某些现实场景中最成功、最真实的应用。我们与Open AI合作将其变为现实。所以，当安德烈·卡帕西在推特上说，他80%的代码现在是由副驾驶这样的人工智能编写的，这是惊人的。你将(很快)看到我们在所有领域都在使用它。今天，它可以作为Azure开放api使用。我们将继续扩展它，因为我们希望确保这些大型模型可供每个开发人员使用。
事实上，bashini可以使用GPT，这对我来说和其他任何事情一样重要。我想确保我们用它来改变客户服务与联络中心的动态;Nuance的情况是，我们今天有DAX这样的人工智能产品，它完全改变了医生的工作;Office 365和微软365发生了什么。以及微软设计师今天如何使用DALL-E来帮助人们创建设计。在Power Apps中，您可以提示工作流自动化。所以，是的，我们期待看到包括必应在内的每个领域的可能性。
在全球化的数量和程度似乎都在下降的世界秩序中，科技公司如何运作?
毫无疑问，世界正在经历一个新的阶段，即弄清什么样的全球化配置对他们有利。我认为，作为企业，我们必须在一个显然更加复杂的地缘政治世界中航行。但最终，我想关注的是——我们如何提供帮助?我们在任何国家经营的许可证基本上是存在的因为我们创造了当地盈余，对吧?我是说，以乌克兰为例。在乌克兰问题上，我们有一个非常简单的原则，即当任何人在网络领域受到攻击时，我们都会帮助进行防御。以乌克兰为例，我们就在那里说，“我们如何帮助乌克兰的政府在受到攻击时继续运作?”
所以，对我来说，我们想要面对真实的世界。我们是一家美国公司，受制于美国的外交政策，但我们最终将在印度(或我们正在运营的国家)经受考验。我们如何创造本地盈余，如果我们这样做，我们将获得经营许可，如果我们不这样做，我们将被踢出去，这是理所当然的。这就是我对每个国家的看法。只要我们这样做，我认为像我们这样的跨国公司就会脚踏实地。
收购TikTok的计划完蛋了吗?
我非常关注动视暴雪和完成这笔交易。
你说科技是通货膨胀世界中的通货紧缩力量。你对2023年的展望是什么?你认为情况会变得更糟吗?
我不是一个宏观经济学家，但我在这里提出的基本观点是——这是我们所有人在数字技术领域的表演时间。为了能够说——看，这就是你如何使用最有价值的资源，用更少的钱做更多的事。因此，从根本上讲……转向云端。当你迁移到云端时，你消耗的能源更少，这就是通缩。你更有效地使用它，这就是通货紧缩。
事实上，如果你编写一个云原生应用程序，有时可能比你在数据中心所做的要好100倍。所以，这些都是人们在危机时期可以利用的通缩力量。和其他公司一样，我们也将受到全球GDP增长的影响。我们并不是对它免疫。我们必须做出调整。我承诺，我们的运营成本将与我们的收入增长保持一致。因此，我们将确保我们以一种有纪律的方式为未来进行投资，我们将坚持我们需要具有竞争力的事实。
Meta和谷歌与依赖．你是否计划在数据中心或其他领域与更多的印度企业集团合作?
我们和每个人都是搭档。Jio有一个Azure Jio区域。因此，他们在我们的云计算上投入了大量资金。我们和阿达尼合作。我们最近刚刚宣布，他们将使用Azure作为他们所有基础设施的合作伙伴。他们还与我们合作，在海得拉巴建立我们的数据中心。我们与塔塔斯合作。塔塔数码是完全建立在Azure上的，我们对他们的超级应用程序和他们正在取得的进展感到非常兴奋。因此，印度的大型企业集团都是我们希望与之共同创新的人。
我们与许多跨国竞争对手的不同之处在于，我们的商业模式要求其他人利用我们的产出为自己创造更有价值的产出。所以，这并不是让人们依赖我们，而是让他们和我们一起独立。这是我们的战略，我们将继续专注于此。
你愿意在印度寻找战略合作伙伴吗?
我认为，当你是像微软这样的公司时，我希望确保我们的技术得到全面应用。任何能帮助我们在任何一天接触到每个印度公民、每个印度组织的东西都是我们的首选合作伙伴。我一直在想，在我们的技术领域，印度合作伙伴渠道雇佣了多少人。微软是独一无二的。
我们向前人学习，但我觉得没有人会问这样一个问题:有多少人围绕这家公司建立了成功的业务?我们收买了一个独家优先合作伙伴来获得一些分销，这对印度来说并不具有战略意义。战略性的是评估谁在印度投资，以帮助印度发展。
印度将在未来的技术领域发挥什么作用，特别是在人工智能、元宇宙和量子计算方面?
第一件事是达特茅斯大学教授Diego Comin做了一项研究。他做了一个很棒的纵向研究，从18世纪到，我想，他把它更新到了2020年。他谈到的最基本的事情是，你应该采用最新的、最好的技术，并确保这种技术在你的国家内部的扩散率非常高。所以，把它放进去，不要随便用。充分利用它来创造更多的增值产出。
技术在小型企业、公共部门、大型现有跨国公司和独角兽企业中的应用。这才是重要的。要做到这一点，你需要人力资本，但这正是印度已经具备的优势。你把我的两个数据点或Github和LinkedIn的三个数据点中的两个数据点加起来，然后说，‘哦，哇，我们已经拥有了了解所有这些技术并有抱负的人力资本’。这项技术正在到来，让我们不仅把它应用在五家独角兽公司，而且应用在纳瓦拉特纳的公共部门。让我们把它应用到政府和小企业中。对我来说，这是我认为印度应该做而且正在做的事情。
他说，微软支持的流行开放人工智能平台ChatGPT也将与包括搜索引擎必应在内的几款产品集成。纳德拉还谈到了科技公司在去全球化世界中的未来，以及微软计划如何度过经济的不确定性。编辑摘录:
微软未来的动力是什么?
我关注两件事:公司的核心目标感和使命感——因为最终技术会出现和消失。微软的身份是一个技术平台，这样其他人就可以创建更多的技术平台。这是1975年的一个机会。我认为2023年更多的是一个机会，所以我只是想保持脚踏实地。我一直说，下一个大浪潮将是AI(人工智能)。我仍然对AR-VR(人工现实-虚拟现实)和Metaverse的发展感到非常兴奋，因为创造存在感非常重要。
印度能在人工智能、量子计算和元宇宙中扮演什么角色?
我对印度的乐观是多方面的。印度和数字公共产品正在发生的事情令人震惊。我的意思是，我没有看到其他任何地方投入如此严格的努力。我和bashini背后的人见了面。他们向我展示了如何将语音转换为文本，以及如何将文本转换为语音。事实上，他们已经在政府文档上使用了ChatGPT，并向我展示了一些令人难以置信的功能。
小企业利用科技来发展，比如Senco黄金在加尔各答，或者像印度银行这样的大银行印度国家银行．的再见，即(依赖Jios和Adanis以及其他所有人都在创造技术。不要忘了创业公司。无论是InMobi、LambdaTest还是Udaan，它们都展示了我以前从未见过的强烈使用。在印度，技术使用占GDP增长的比例非常高。在GitHub上，排名第二的国家是印度。在领英(LinkedIn)上，印度的技能简介率是全球的两倍。所以，这展示了另一个有抱负的方面。
这很重要。我用三种方法来衡量微软在印度的投资。一个是我们是否在印度制造(科技产品)。从历史上看，我们在其他地方生产产品，在这里销售，而现在我们在这里生产产品。我们拥有美国以外最大的开发中心。
我们投入了大量的资本投资，建立了四个大型数据中心，我们甚至与Jio合作，建立了他们自己的数据中心。因此，我们正在进行重大的资本投资，基本上是建立现代工厂，称为数据中心。所以这是我们在印度制造，这导致了所有其他国家在印度制造。但那些在印度制造的公司不仅仅是在印度制造，他们是在为世界制造。我们与LambdaTest或InMobi合作，将它们带到其他地方。
微软支持的ChatGPT已经非常流行。我们如何看待你们在这些人工智能产品的基础上开发产品?微软是否即将与必应进行整合?这会让你和谷歌直接竞争吗?
我喜欢微软价值超过100亿美元的业务，比如必应，被认为是不存在的。所以，这是一个很好的位置，因为你可以让世界大吃一惊。我们对与Open AI的合作感到非常兴奋。这是大型模型在某些现实场景中最成功、最真实的应用。我们与Open AI合作将其变为现实。所以，当安德烈·卡帕西在推特上说，他80%的代码现在是由副驾驶这样的人工智能编写的，这是惊人的。你将(很快)看到我们在所有领域都在使用它。今天，它可以作为Azure开放api使用。我们将继续扩展它，因为我们希望确保这些大型模型可供每个开发人员使用。
事实上，bashini可以使用GPT，这对我来说和其他任何事情一样重要。我想确保我们用它来改变客户服务与联络中心的动态;Nuance的情况是，我们今天有DAX这样的人工智能产品，它完全改变了医生的工作;Office 365和微软365发生了什么。以及微软设计师今天如何使用DALL-E来帮助人们创建设计。在Power Apps中，您可以提示工作流自动化。所以，是的，我们期待看到包括必应在内的每个领域的可能性。
在全球化的数量和程度似乎都在下降的世界秩序中，科技公司如何运作?
毫无疑问，世界正在经历一个新的阶段，即弄清什么样的全球化配置对他们有利。我认为，作为企业，我们必须在一个显然更加复杂的地缘政治世界中航行。但最终，我想关注的是——我们如何提供帮助?我们在任何国家经营的许可证基本上是存在的因为我们创造了当地盈余，对吧?我是说，以乌克兰为例。在乌克兰问题上，我们有一个非常简单的原则，即当任何人在网络领域受到攻击时，我们都会帮助进行防御。以乌克兰为例，我们就在那里说，“我们如何帮助乌克兰的政府在受到攻击时继续运作?”
所以，对我来说，我们想要面对真实的世界。我们是一家美国公司，受制于美国的外交政策，但我们最终将在印度(或我们正在运营的国家)经受考验。我们如何创造本地盈余，如果我们这样做，我们将获得经营许可，如果我们不这样做，我们将被踢出去，这是理所当然的。这就是我对每个国家的看法。只要我们这样做，我认为像我们这样的跨国公司就会脚踏实地。
收购TikTok的计划完蛋了吗?
我非常关注动视暴雪和完成这笔交易。
你说科技是通货膨胀世界中的通货紧缩力量。你对2023年的展望是什么?你认为情况会变得更糟吗?
我不是一个宏观经济学家，但我在这里提出的基本观点是——这是我们所有人在数字技术领域的表演时间。为了能够说——看，这就是你如何使用最有价值的资源，用更少的钱做更多的事。因此，从根本上讲……转向云端。当你迁移到云端时，你消耗的能源更少，这就是通缩。你更有效地使用它，这就是通货紧缩。
事实上，如果你编写一个云原生应用程序，有时可能比你在数据中心所做的要好100倍。所以，这些都是人们在危机时期可以利用的通缩力量。和其他公司一样，我们也将受到全球GDP增长的影响。我们并不是对它免疫。我们必须做出调整。我承诺，我们的运营成本将与我们的收入增长保持一致。因此，我们将确保我们以一种有纪律的方式为未来进行投资，我们将坚持我们需要具有竞争力的事实。
Meta和谷歌与依赖．你是否计划在数据中心或其他领域与更多的印度企业集团合作?
我们和每个人都是搭档。Jio有一个Azure Jio区域。因此，他们在我们的云计算上投入了大量资金。我们和阿达尼合作。我们最近刚刚宣布，他们将使用Azure作为他们所有基础设施的合作伙伴。他们还与我们合作，在海得拉巴建立我们的数据中心。我们与塔塔斯合作。塔塔数码是完全建立在Azure上的，我们对他们的超级应用程序和他们正在取得的进展感到非常兴奋。因此，印度的大型企业集团都是我们希望与之共同创新的人。
我们与许多跨国竞争对手的不同之处在于，我们的商业模式要求其他人利用我们的产出为自己创造更有价值的产出。所以，这并不是让人们依赖我们，而是让他们和我们一起独立。这是我们的战略，我们将继续专注于此。
你愿意在印度寻找战略合作伙伴吗?
我认为，当你是像微软这样的公司时，我希望确保我们的技术得到全面应用。任何能帮助我们在任何一天接触到每个印度公民、每个印度组织的东西都是我们的首选合作伙伴。我一直在想，在我们的技术领域，印度合作伙伴渠道雇佣了多少人。微软是独一无二的。
我们向前人学习，但我觉得没有人会问这样一个问题:有多少人围绕这家公司建立了成功的业务?我们收买了一个独家优先合作伙伴来获得一些分销，这对印度来说并不具有战略意义。战略性的是评估谁在印度投资，以帮助印度发展。
印度将在未来的技术领域发挥什么作用，特别是在人工智能、元宇宙和量子计算方面?
第一件事是达特茅斯大学教授Diego Comin做了一项研究。他做了一个很棒的纵向研究，从18世纪到，我想，他把它更新到了2020年。他谈到的最基本的事情是，你应该采用最新的、最好的技术，并确保这种技术在你的国家内部的扩散率非常高。所以，把它放进去，不要随便用。充分利用它来创造更多的增值产出。
技术在小型企业、公共部门、大型现有跨国公司和独角兽企业中的应用。这才是重要的。要做到这一点，你需要人力资本，但这正是印度已经具备的优势。你把我的两个数据点或Github和LinkedIn的三个数据点中的两个数据点加起来，然后说，‘哦，哇，我们已经拥有了了解所有这些技术并有抱负的人力资本’。这项技术正在到来，让我们不仅把它应用在五家独角兽公司，而且应用在纳瓦拉特纳的公共部门。让我们把它应用到政府和小企业中。对我来说，这是我认为印度应该做而且正在做的事情。
India<\/a>\u2019s technology usage as a percentage of its GDP growth is very high and the country\u2019s work in creating digital public goods such as Aadhaar and the Unified Payments Interface is astonishing, Microsoft<\/a> chairman Sayta Nadella said. In an interview to ET's Surabhi Agarwal<\/strong>, Javed Sayed<\/strong> and Bodhisatva Ganguli<\/strong>, the Hyderabad-born chief executive of the $198 billion US-based technology behemoth said \u201cthe next big wave\u201d will be Artificial Intelligence and that he was excited by AR-VR (Artificial and Virtual Reality) and the Metaverse.
Microsoft-backed popular Open AI platform ChatGPT will also be integrated with several of its products including search engine Bing, he said. Nadella also spoke about the future of technology companies in a de-globalised world and how Microsoft was planning to ride through the economic uncertainty. Edited Excerpts:
What will fuel the Microsoft of the future?
<\/strong>
I focus on two things: core sense of purpose and mission of the company - because ultimately technologies will come and go. Microsoft had an identity of being a tech platform so that others can create more tech platforms. That was an opportunity in 1975. I think it's more of an opportunity in 2023, so I just want to stay grounded on that. I have always said that the next big wave is going to be AI (Artificial Intelligence). I'm still very excited about what's happening with AR-VR (artificial reality - virtual reality) and Metaverse, because the creation of a sense of presence is important.
Microsoft-backed popular Open AI platform ChatGPT will also be integrated with several of its products including search engine Bing, he said. Nadella also spoke about the future of technology companies in a de-globalised world and how Microsoft was planning to ride through the economic uncertainty. Edited Excerpts:
What will fuel the Microsoft of the future?
<\/strong>
I focus on two things: core sense of purpose and mission of the company - because ultimately technologies will come and go. Microsoft had an identity of being a tech platform so that others can create more tech platforms. That was an opportunity in 1975. I think it's more of an opportunity in 2023, so I just want to stay grounded on that. I have always said that the next big wave is going to be AI (Artificial Intelligence). I'm still very excited about what's happening with AR-VR (artificial reality - virtual reality) and Metaverse, because the creation of a sense of presence is important.
<\/div><\/div>Ultimately, I want to translate into something like computational chemistry, which we need desperately for our energy transition. But the foundation, if I look at all those three, they build on the cloud. If I look at what's happening in AI today, these large foundational models that we are talking about and are very excited about, were only possible because of the cloud and what we did in terms of very differentiated work in Azure to be able to model and train these large models. Today's technology, sometimes used well and in innovative ways, helps (give) birth (to) the technology of the future.
What role can India play in AI, quantum computing and the Metaverse?
<\/strong>
My sense of optimism for India comes in multiple ways. What's happening with India and digital public goods is nothing other than astonishing. I mean, nowhere else do I see such rigorous effort being put. I met with the people behind Bhashini. They showed me how they are converting speech to text and text to speech. In fact, they have used ChatGPT on the government documents and showed me some unbelievable capability.
Small businesses are using technology to grow, like Senco Gold<\/a> in Kolkata, or large banks like the State Bank of India<\/a>. The Tatas<\/a>, the (Reliance<\/a>) Jios and Adanis and everyone else are all creating technology. And let's not forget the startups. Whether it is InMobi or LambdaTest or Udaan, they are all demonstrating intense usage that I have not seen before. As a percentage of GDP growth in India, technology usage is very high. Already on GitHub, the number two country is India. On LinkedIn, the rate of essentially skill profiling in India is twice the global rate. So, that shows the other aspirational side.
What role can India play in AI, quantum computing and the Metaverse?
<\/strong>
My sense of optimism for India comes in multiple ways. What's happening with India and digital public goods is nothing other than astonishing. I mean, nowhere else do I see such rigorous effort being put. I met with the people behind Bhashini. They showed me how they are converting speech to text and text to speech. In fact, they have used ChatGPT on the government documents and showed me some unbelievable capability.
Small businesses are using technology to grow, like Senco Gold<\/a> in Kolkata, or large banks like the State Bank of India<\/a>. The Tatas<\/a>, the (Reliance<\/a>) Jios and Adanis and everyone else are all creating technology. And let's not forget the startups. Whether it is InMobi or LambdaTest or Udaan, they are all demonstrating intense usage that I have not seen before. As a percentage of GDP growth in India, technology usage is very high. Already on GitHub, the number two country is India. On LinkedIn, the rate of essentially skill profiling in India is twice the global rate. So, that shows the other aspirational side.
<\/div><\/div>Can you give us a sense of Microsoft\u2019s cumulative investment in India?
<\/strong>
It is significant. There are three ways I measure Microsoft investment in India. One is whether we are making (technology products) in India. Historically, we built products elsewhere, and we sold them here, whereas now we make products here. We have the largest development centre outside of the United States.
We have put significant capital investments in building out four large data centres and we have even partnered with Jio, building out their own data centre. So, we are making significant capital investment in building out essentially the modern-day factories called data centres. So that's us making (in) India, which is leading to all the others making in India. But those companies that are making in India are not just making in India, they're making for the world. We work with LambdaTest or InMobi to take them everywhere else.
Microsoft-backed ChatGPT has become hugely popular. How do we see you building products on top of these AI offerings? Is an integration with Bing in the offing? Does it put you in direct competition with Google?
<\/strong>
I like it when $10 billion-plus businesses in Microsoft, like Bing, are sort of considered somehow non-existent. So, it's a good position to be in, because you can surprise the world. We're very excited about our partnership with Open AI. It's the most successful, most real use of large models in some real-world scenarios. We partnered with Open AI to bring that to life. So, when Andrej Karpathy tweets, saying that 80% of his code is now being written by an AI like co-pilot, it's phenomenal. You will (soon) see us do more with it across all domains. Today, it's available as Azure open APIs. We'll keep expanding that because we want to make sure that these are large models that are available for every developer.
The fact that Bhashini can use GPT, that to me is as big as anything else. I want to make sure that we use it to change what happens in customer service with Dynamics in contact centres; what happens with Nuance where we have DAX today as an AI product that just completely changes the physician's works; what's happening with Office 365 and Microsoft 365. And how Microsoft Designer today uses DALL-E to help people create designs. In Power Apps you can prompt workflow automation. So, yes, we look forward to sort of seeing what's possible in every domain, including Bing.
How do technology companies function in a world order where the amount and degree of globalization seems to be decreasing?
<\/strong>
There is no question that the world is going through a new phase of figuring out what configuration of globalization works for them. I think that we as companies have to navigate what is clearly a more complicated geopolitical world. But ultimately, I want to stay focused on - how are we helping? Our license to operate in any country fundamentally exists because we create local surplus, right? I mean, take Ukraine. With Ukraine, we have a very simple principle that when anybody is being attacked on the cyber domain, we help to defend. And in the case of Ukraine, we were right there and said, \u201chow do we help the government of Ukraine continue to function when they are under attack?\u201d
So, to me, we want to meet the real world. We are an American company, subject to American foreign policy, but we ultimately will be tested in India (or the country we are operating in). How we are able to create local surplus, and if we do, we will have a permission to operate and if we don't, we will get kicked out and deservedly so. So that's the way I think about every country. As long as we do that, I think multinationals like us will stay grounded.
Is the plan to buy TikTok dead?
<\/strong>
I am very focused on Activision Blizzard and completing that transaction.
You said technology is a deflationary force in an inflationary world. What is your outlook for 2023? Do you think things will get worse?
<\/strong>
I'm not a macro economist, but the fundamental point I was making there was - it's sort of showtime for all of us in digital technology. To be able to say - look, here is how you can use the most valuable resource to do more with less. Therefore, fundamentally\u2026 move to the cloud. When you move to the cloud, you use less energy, that's deflation. You use it more efficiently, that's deflationary.
In fact, if you write a cloud-native app that might be 100x, sometimes better than what you may have done in your data centre. So, those are all deflationary forces that are available for people to exercise in a time of crisis. We are, like every other company, going to be subject to what the world GDP growth looks like. We're not immune to it. And we will have to adjust. I made the commitment that our operating costs are going to be in line with our revenue growth. Therefore, we will make sure we are investing in a disciplined way for the future, and we stay grounded in the fact that we need to be competitive.
Meta and Google have significant partnerships with Reliance<\/a>. Do you plan to partner with more Indian conglomerates across some large areas like data centres or other segments?
<\/strong>
We are partnered with everybody. Jio has an Azure Jio region. So, they're investing significantly in our cloud. We've partnered with Adani. We just recently announced that they're going to be using Azure as their partner for all their infrastructure. They're also partnered with us in building out our data centre in Hyderabad. We are partnered with Tatas. Tata Digital<\/a> is built completely on Azure, and we're really excited about their Super App and the progress they're making. So, the large conglomerates in India are all people that we want to make sure we co-innovate with.
The difference between us and many of our multinational competitors is that our business model requires others to use our output to create more valuable output for themselves. So, it's not creating dependence on us, but it's about creating independence with us. That's our strategy and we'll stay focused on it.
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<\/strong>
It is significant. There are three ways I measure Microsoft investment in India. One is whether we are making (technology products) in India. Historically, we built products elsewhere, and we sold them here, whereas now we make products here. We have the largest development centre outside of the United States.
We have put significant capital investments in building out four large data centres and we have even partnered with Jio, building out their own data centre. So, we are making significant capital investment in building out essentially the modern-day factories called data centres. So that's us making (in) India, which is leading to all the others making in India. But those companies that are making in India are not just making in India, they're making for the world. We work with LambdaTest or InMobi to take them everywhere else.
Microsoft-backed ChatGPT has become hugely popular. How do we see you building products on top of these AI offerings? Is an integration with Bing in the offing? Does it put you in direct competition with Google?
<\/strong>
I like it when $10 billion-plus businesses in Microsoft, like Bing, are sort of considered somehow non-existent. So, it's a good position to be in, because you can surprise the world. We're very excited about our partnership with Open AI. It's the most successful, most real use of large models in some real-world scenarios. We partnered with Open AI to bring that to life. So, when Andrej Karpathy tweets, saying that 80% of his code is now being written by an AI like co-pilot, it's phenomenal. You will (soon) see us do more with it across all domains. Today, it's available as Azure open APIs. We'll keep expanding that because we want to make sure that these are large models that are available for every developer.
The fact that Bhashini can use GPT, that to me is as big as anything else. I want to make sure that we use it to change what happens in customer service with Dynamics in contact centres; what happens with Nuance where we have DAX today as an AI product that just completely changes the physician's works; what's happening with Office 365 and Microsoft 365. And how Microsoft Designer today uses DALL-E to help people create designs. In Power Apps you can prompt workflow automation. So, yes, we look forward to sort of seeing what's possible in every domain, including Bing.
How do technology companies function in a world order where the amount and degree of globalization seems to be decreasing?
<\/strong>
There is no question that the world is going through a new phase of figuring out what configuration of globalization works for them. I think that we as companies have to navigate what is clearly a more complicated geopolitical world. But ultimately, I want to stay focused on - how are we helping? Our license to operate in any country fundamentally exists because we create local surplus, right? I mean, take Ukraine. With Ukraine, we have a very simple principle that when anybody is being attacked on the cyber domain, we help to defend. And in the case of Ukraine, we were right there and said, \u201chow do we help the government of Ukraine continue to function when they are under attack?\u201d
So, to me, we want to meet the real world. We are an American company, subject to American foreign policy, but we ultimately will be tested in India (or the country we are operating in). How we are able to create local surplus, and if we do, we will have a permission to operate and if we don't, we will get kicked out and deservedly so. So that's the way I think about every country. As long as we do that, I think multinationals like us will stay grounded.
Is the plan to buy TikTok dead?
<\/strong>
I am very focused on Activision Blizzard and completing that transaction.
You said technology is a deflationary force in an inflationary world. What is your outlook for 2023? Do you think things will get worse?
<\/strong>
I'm not a macro economist, but the fundamental point I was making there was - it's sort of showtime for all of us in digital technology. To be able to say - look, here is how you can use the most valuable resource to do more with less. Therefore, fundamentally\u2026 move to the cloud. When you move to the cloud, you use less energy, that's deflation. You use it more efficiently, that's deflationary.
In fact, if you write a cloud-native app that might be 100x, sometimes better than what you may have done in your data centre. So, those are all deflationary forces that are available for people to exercise in a time of crisis. We are, like every other company, going to be subject to what the world GDP growth looks like. We're not immune to it. And we will have to adjust. I made the commitment that our operating costs are going to be in line with our revenue growth. Therefore, we will make sure we are investing in a disciplined way for the future, and we stay grounded in the fact that we need to be competitive.
Meta and Google have significant partnerships with Reliance<\/a>. Do you plan to partner with more Indian conglomerates across some large areas like data centres or other segments?
<\/strong>
We are partnered with everybody. Jio has an Azure Jio region. So, they're investing significantly in our cloud. We've partnered with Adani. We just recently announced that they're going to be using Azure as their partner for all their infrastructure. They're also partnered with us in building out our data centre in Hyderabad. We are partnered with Tatas. Tata Digital<\/a> is built completely on Azure, and we're really excited about their Super App and the progress they're making. So, the large conglomerates in India are all people that we want to make sure we co-innovate with.
The difference between us and many of our multinational competitors is that our business model requires others to use our output to create more valuable output for themselves. So, it's not creating dependence on us, but it's about creating independence with us. That's our strategy and we'll stay focused on it.
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<\/a><\/div>Cloud-based services a \"game changer\", says Microsoft chief Satya Nadella<\/h4><\/a><\/div><\/a><\/div>India\u2019s lead in building digital public goods infrastructure is extraordinary: Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella<\/h4><\/a><\/div><\/div>
Will you prefer to look for a strategic partner in India?
<\/strong>
I think when you are a company like Microsoft, I want to make sure that our technology gets used across the board. Anything that is going to help us reach every Indian citizen across every Indian organization on any given day is our preferred partner. I always wonder how many people are employed in the India partner channel around our technologies. Microsoft is unique.
We learn from others who came before us, but I feel no one asks the question: how many people have built businesses around this company that are successful? Having one exclusive preferred partner that we bought off for some distribution, that is not strategic for India. What is strategic is to evaluate who is investing in India to help India grow.
What role will India play in the technology of the future, especially in AI, Metaverse and quantum computing?
<\/strong>
The first thing is that there's a study (by) this Dartmouth professor called Diego Comin. He did a fantastic longitudinal study of diffusion of technology from the 1700s to, I think, he has updated it to 2020. The fundamental thing that he talks about is that you should take the latest and greatest technology and make sure that the diffusion rate of that technology inside of your country is very high. So, get it in and don't use it trivially. Use it intensely to create more value-added output.
Technology\u2019s use in small businesses, public sector, large existing MNCs and unicorns. That's what is important. To do that, you need human capital, but that's where India already has an advantage. You take my two data points or two of the three data points of Github and LinkedIn and you add that up and say \u2013 \u2018oh, wow, we already have the human capital that already knows about all this technology and has the aspiration\u2019. This technology is coming and let us apply it not just in five unicorns but apply it in a public sector Navaratna. Let's apply it in a government, in a small business. That, to me, is what I think India should be doing and is doing.
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<\/a><\/div>Cloud-based services a \"game changer\", says Microsoft chief Satya Nadella<\/h4><\/a><\/div><\/a><\/div>India\u2019s lead in building digital public goods infrastructure is extraordinary: Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella<\/h4><\/a><\/div><\/div>
Will you prefer to look for a strategic partner in India?
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I think when you are a company like Microsoft, I want to make sure that our technology gets used across the board. Anything that is going to help us reach every Indian citizen across every Indian organization on any given day is our preferred partner. I always wonder how many people are employed in the India partner channel around our technologies. Microsoft is unique.
We learn from others who came before us, but I feel no one asks the question: how many people have built businesses around this company that are successful? Having one exclusive preferred partner that we bought off for some distribution, that is not strategic for India. What is strategic is to evaluate who is investing in India to help India grow.
What role will India play in the technology of the future, especially in AI, Metaverse and quantum computing?
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The first thing is that there's a study (by) this Dartmouth professor called Diego Comin. He did a fantastic longitudinal study of diffusion of technology from the 1700s to, I think, he has updated it to 2020. The fundamental thing that he talks about is that you should take the latest and greatest technology and make sure that the diffusion rate of that technology inside of your country is very high. So, get it in and don't use it trivially. Use it intensely to create more value-added output.
Technology\u2019s use in small businesses, public sector, large existing MNCs and unicorns. That's what is important. To do that, you need human capital, but that's where India already has an advantage. You take my two data points or two of the three data points of Github and LinkedIn and you add that up and say \u2013 \u2018oh, wow, we already have the human capital that already knows about all this technology and has the aspiration\u2019. This technology is coming and let us apply it not just in five unicorns but apply it in a public sector Navaratna. Let's apply it in a government, in a small business. That, to me, is what I think India should be doing and is doing.
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