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\nIn a freewheeling interview with ET’s KR Balasubramanyam and J Vignesh, he said successive governments have fostered a fear of intellectuals, pointing to the country’s inability to decide if foreign universities can set up campuses here despite debating the issue for over a decade.
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\nThe solution does not lie in switching to a for-profit model but in adopting <\/em>an<\/em>appropriate-fee<\/em> model for universities that will allow students to participate in the quest for high-quality education. Edited excerpts:<\/em>
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\nWhy hasn’t l<\/strong>iberalisation<\/strong> translated into growth of science in India?<\/strong>
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While India introduced reforms in the industrial sector in 1991, somehow it has not (reformed) higher education. Somehow, starting from the post-emergency era of Indira Gandhi<\/a>, there is a fear of intellectuals in India.
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\nThere is concern that free thought, free exchange of ideas, may lead to questioning of politicians. There has been considerable fear of contact between intellectuals abroad and intellectuals in India. Successive governments, nothing to do with one party or the other, all of them have been scared for some reason.
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\nLook at the issue of allowing foreign universities to establish campuses in India; it is being debated for 12 years. All political parties are against it, all of them. It is very difficult for normal people to understand how we can be reticent about enhancing the quality of our own higher education.
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\nIn India, there has not been structured patronage for science since independence…<\/strong>
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If you look at US<\/a> universities, there is considerable contribution in the form of donations to universities, funding for science and technology in the form of the National Science Foundation and there is very little interference. You see, today the chairman of an IIT or an IIM is appointed by the central government. I have not seen this anywhere else in the world. I have served on the boards of several US universities, it is not like that. So, I think it is controlling and it is linking any financing to control.
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\nWill a for-profit model for higher education work in India?<\/strong>
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\nI am not in favour of the for-profit model for education. That is a bad idea. A lot of us confuse the for-profit model with the appropriate feestructure model. When you charge a certain fee for the student, it should cover several costs — salaries, overhead costs like maintaining buildings to setting up laboratories and training faculty. The total cost per student of running an engineering college is far higher than what is allowed by the government. How do we make sure that this kind of fee is paid?
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\nWe do not want to burden the parents and want the poorest student to go to whatever engineering college or medical college or whatever college he or she wants. How do you do it? We have to come out with a (plan) whereby a student can take a loan from a bank. But the government should mandate that nobody benefits personally — no trustee, no founder benefits from any higher education institution. That is extremely important — it cannot become profit-making. It can create surplus, that is different.
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\nIs there a case also for faculty for engaging more with industry<\/a> and perhaps through consulting and so on and generating revenue?<\/strong>
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\nThat is there definitely. But for that, the faculty will have to be knowledgeable enough to add value to industry. Remember, we are not talking of a few IITs or IISc, AIIMS and a few medical colleges. We are discussing a run-of-the-mill engineering or medical college. So, unless you provide adequate education to people, what consulting can they do?
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\nOne big problem in research is that it mostly remains on paper. What has to be done to tackle this?<\/strong>
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\nThe purpose of all these institutions in the first place is to help youngsters to learn to learn. If we help our youngsters to learn to solve problems that is sufficient. The right way to look at it is, are we helping our children solve problems around them by using the education that we have given to them in the class? For example, by February or March, the Cauvery water will be depleted.
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What is that we will do once the situation comes? Are we all going to abandon Bengaluru<\/a>, or what is the cost of getting water from Mumbai or somewhere else? Or is there a way to seed artificial rain? Or if we were to desalinate water from Mangaluru and bring it here, how much will it cost? That is the problem. Higher education must aim to solve a problem around us. That is the issue.
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\nOn the role that science and technology can play, do you think moving to the digital platform will help increase tax payments, bring in more transparency?<\/strong>
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\nCertainly moving to digital channels will help, but there is a very important requirement — to reduce corruption. You have to separate the point where you make request for civic services from the point where the decisions are handed out. Technology is not the ultimate solution, you need technology, no doubt. But sometimes technology can be totally misused, it is not foolproof. What I am saying is — you may cover most of it, but in the end good people are necessary.\n\n<\/body>","next_sibling":[{"msid":56662493,"title":"Lenovo Yoga Book review: A unique and amazing product at a good price","entity_type":"ARTICLE","link":"\/news\/lenovo-yoga-book-review-a-unique-and-amazing-product-at-a-good-price\/56662493","category_name":null,"category_name_seo":"telecomnews"}],"related_content":[],"msid":56663691,"entity_type":"ARTICLE","title":"Tech not the ultimate cure, need good people to man it: NR Narayana Murthy, Infosys","synopsis":"\"We need to ask ourselves if we are helping our children solve problems around them by using the education that we have given to them in the class.\"","titleseo":"telecomnews\/tech-not-the-ultimate-cure-need-good-people-to-man-it-nr-narayana-murthy-infosys","status":"ACTIVE","authors":[{"author_name":"K R Balasubramanyam","author_link":"\/author\/479235088\/k-r-balasubramanyam","author_image":"https:\/\/etimg.etb2bimg.com\/authorthumb\/479235088.cms?width=100&height=100&hostid=268","author_additional":{"thumbsize":false,"msid":479235088,"author_name":"K R Balasubramanyam","author_seo_name":"k-r-balasubramanyam","designation":"Journalist","agency":false}},{"author_name":"J Vignesh","author_link":"\/author\/479242888\/j-vignesh","author_image":"https:\/\/etimg.etb2bimg.com\/authorthumb\/479242888.cms?width=100&height=100&hostid=268","author_additional":{"thumbsize":false,"msid":479242888,"author_name":"J Vignesh","author_seo_name":"j-vignesh","designation":"Editor","agency":false}}],"Alttitle":{"minfo":""},"artag":"ET Bureau","artdate":"2017-01-19 14:18:28","lastupd":"2017-01-19 14:20:58","breadcrumbTags":["Infosys","Indira Gandhi","industry","NR Narayana Murthy","US","technology","Bengaluru"],"secinfo":{"seolocation":"telecomnews\/tech-not-the-ultimate-cure-need-good-people-to-man-it-nr-narayana-murthy-infosys"}}" data-authors="[" k r balasubramanyam","j vignesh"]" data-category-name="" data-category_id="" data-date="2017-01-19" data-index="article_1">
尽管自由化带来可观的经济收益,系统中有一个明显的缺乏改革高等教育的根据NR Narayana没吃,
创始人之一
的印孚瑟斯。提倡高等教育需要解决日常问题,没吃,70岁的坚持技术采用数字平台可以帮助,这些都不是简单的解决方案。
随心所欲的采访等的基米-雷克南Balasubramanyam和J Vignesh,他说历届政府都培养了对知识的恐惧,指着该国无法决定是否外国大学可以建立校园这里尽管十多年来讨论问题。
解决方案不在于切换到盈利模式,但在采用 一个 适当费用 大学,让学生参与模型追求高质量的教育。编辑摘录:
为什么没有我 iberalisation 翻译成增长的印度科学吗?
而印度引入改革工业部门在1991年,高等教育在某种程度上它没有(改革)。不知为何,从事故后的时代英迪拉甘地在印度,有一个恐惧的知识分子。
有人担心自由思想、自由交换思想,可能导致质疑的政治家。已经有相当大的恐惧在印度海外知识分子和知识分子之间的联系。历届政府,与一方,所有的作品都是害怕因为某些原因。
看问题,允许外国大学在印度建立校园;它被争论了12年。所有政党都反对它,所有的人。这是一般人很难理解我们可以保持缄默增强自己的高等教育的质量。
在印度,没有结构化的赞助科学独立以来…
如果你看看我们大学,有相当大的贡献的形式捐赠大学,科技经费的美国国家科学基金会和很少有干扰。你看,今天IIT或IIM的主席是由中央政府任命。我没有见过这个世界上其他任何地方。我曾经在董事会的几所美国大学,并不是这样的。所以,我认为这是控制和连接任何融资来控制。
将一个营利性高等教育模式在印度工作吗?
我不赞成以营利为目的的教育模式。这是一个糟糕的主意。很多人混淆盈利模式与适当的feestructure模型。当你收取一定费用的学生,应该支付一些费用——工资、管理费用等维护建筑物建立实验室和培训教师。运行一个工程学院的每个学生总成本远高于政府允许的。我们如何确保这种支付费用吗?
我们不想负担父母和想要最贫穷的学生去工程学院或大学医学院或任何他或她想要的。你怎么做?我们必须推出一个(计划),学生可以从银行贷款。但是政府应该要求个人——没有受托人没有好处,没有受益于任何高等教育机构创始人。这是极其重要的——它不能成为盈利。它可以创建盈余,这是不同的。
有一个案例也为教师参与更多行业也许通过咨询等等和创收?
这是肯定的。但是,教师必须知识渊博的足以增加价值的行业。记住,我们不谈论一些理工学院或印度,全印度医学科学院和一些医学院校。我们正在讨论一个普通的工程或医学院。因此,除非你提供足够的教育,咨询他们能做什么?
主要研究的一个大问题是,它仍然在纸上。必须做些什么来解决这个问题吗?
所有这些机构的目的首先是帮助年轻人学会学习。如果我们帮助我们的孩子学会解决问题,就足够了。正确的方式来看待,我们帮助我们的孩子解决问题周围通过教育,我们在课堂上给他们吗?例如,在2月或3月,Cauvery水会枯竭。
是什么,我们将做一次这种情况出现?我们都要放弃吗班加罗尔的成本,或者是什么让水从孟买或其他地方?还是有办法种子人工降雨?或者如果我们淡化水从Mangaluru和把它在这里,要花多少钱?这是问题所在。高等教育必须致力于解决一个问题。这是问题。
科学技术可以发挥作用,你认为移动数字平台将帮助增加税款,带来更多的透明度?
当然移动数字频道将会有所帮助,但有一个非常重要的需求,减少腐败。你必须单独的为公民服务请求的决定发放。技术并不是最终的解决方案,您需要技术,毫无疑问。但有时技术可以完全被误用,这一制度不是万无一失的。我想说的是——你可以覆盖大部分,但最后好人是必要的。
随心所欲的采访等的基米-雷克南Balasubramanyam和J Vignesh,他说历届政府都培养了对知识的恐惧,指着该国无法决定是否外国大学可以建立校园这里尽管十多年来讨论问题。
解决方案不在于切换到盈利模式,但在采用 一个 适当费用 大学,让学生参与模型追求高质量的教育。编辑摘录:
为什么没有我 iberalisation 翻译成增长的印度科学吗?
而印度引入改革工业部门在1991年,高等教育在某种程度上它没有(改革)。不知为何,从事故后的时代英迪拉甘地在印度,有一个恐惧的知识分子。
有人担心自由思想、自由交换思想,可能导致质疑的政治家。已经有相当大的恐惧在印度海外知识分子和知识分子之间的联系。历届政府,与一方,所有的作品都是害怕因为某些原因。
看问题,允许外国大学在印度建立校园;它被争论了12年。所有政党都反对它,所有的人。这是一般人很难理解我们可以保持缄默增强自己的高等教育的质量。
在印度,没有结构化的赞助科学独立以来…
如果你看看我们大学,有相当大的贡献的形式捐赠大学,科技经费的美国国家科学基金会和很少有干扰。你看,今天IIT或IIM的主席是由中央政府任命。我没有见过这个世界上其他任何地方。我曾经在董事会的几所美国大学,并不是这样的。所以,我认为这是控制和连接任何融资来控制。
将一个营利性高等教育模式在印度工作吗?
我不赞成以营利为目的的教育模式。这是一个糟糕的主意。很多人混淆盈利模式与适当的feestructure模型。当你收取一定费用的学生,应该支付一些费用——工资、管理费用等维护建筑物建立实验室和培训教师。运行一个工程学院的每个学生总成本远高于政府允许的。我们如何确保这种支付费用吗?
我们不想负担父母和想要最贫穷的学生去工程学院或大学医学院或任何他或她想要的。你怎么做?我们必须推出一个(计划),学生可以从银行贷款。但是政府应该要求个人——没有受托人没有好处,没有受益于任何高等教育机构创始人。这是极其重要的——它不能成为盈利。它可以创建盈余,这是不同的。
有一个案例也为教师参与更多行业也许通过咨询等等和创收?
这是肯定的。但是,教师必须知识渊博的足以增加价值的行业。记住,我们不谈论一些理工学院或印度,全印度医学科学院和一些医学院校。我们正在讨论一个普通的工程或医学院。因此,除非你提供足够的教育,咨询他们能做什么?
主要研究的一个大问题是,它仍然在纸上。必须做些什么来解决这个问题吗?
所有这些机构的目的首先是帮助年轻人学会学习。如果我们帮助我们的孩子学会解决问题,就足够了。正确的方式来看待,我们帮助我们的孩子解决问题周围通过教育,我们在课堂上给他们吗?例如,在2月或3月,Cauvery水会枯竭。
是什么,我们将做一次这种情况出现?我们都要放弃吗班加罗尔的成本,或者是什么让水从孟买或其他地方?还是有办法种子人工降雨?或者如果我们淡化水从Mangaluru和把它在这里,要花多少钱?这是问题所在。高等教育必须致力于解决一个问题。这是问题。
科学技术可以发挥作用,你认为移动数字平台将帮助增加税款,带来更多的透明度?
当然移动数字频道将会有所帮助,但有一个非常重要的需求,减少腐败。你必须单独的为公民服务请求的决定发放。技术并不是最终的解决方案,您需要技术,毫无疑问。但有时技术可以完全被误用,这一制度不是万无一失的。我想说的是——你可以覆盖大部分,但最后好人是必要的。
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